it's being pushed by the same guys and it's basically they take whatever obama is doing and they make it slightly more truculent. so we'll do something more active in syria or with iran. >> stronger. >> but there are about as many details as there are in their tax numbers. there's no details. and so what -- so they have this preposterous contraption about leaving afghanistan, of course it makes no sense. but they were trying to find desperate distinction from the policy that's in place, even if it's meaningless and it makes them look stupid. i don't think ryan has the knowledge, by the way, neither does romney, he has absolutely no foreign policy experience or background and said almost nothing about foreign policy until this entire campaign until he made that wonderful trip to london and insulted our closest ally. >> yeah. frank rich, "new york magazine"'s editor at large. next feature story is the right will triumph in the end. which is smart but obviously wrong. >> i hope i'm wrong. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. >> we've got more ahead. ♪ [ male announcer ] you've reached